And so I'd like to share a few examples of a genre which I call "toga porn," which I read by the truckload when I was 15.

This is a fun, trashy bodice (or stola) ripper, with an awesome cover painting by James Bama- who, hilariously enough, is better known for his paintings of cowboys. Here, Messalina is not only into whips, but she's clearly having lunch in the middle of the Forum. Like you do...
Here's another "naughty empress" book, which in itself is a subgenre within the toga porn category. A better title of this particular epic would be "Poppaea does Rome." I don't know who did the cover- there's no credit anywhere in the book- but it's a nice painting, with lots of well done, if completely random details. (For example, note the parrot and the Mycenaean vase in the foreground on the front cover.)

And we've got Cleopatra! She doesn't look like Liz Taylor, but she looks almost exactly like Joan Collins from "Land of the Pharaohs." I'm not sure what actor Julius looks like. Lee Marvin?

And last but not least, we have "The Ravishers," with cover art by Manuel Sanjulian! This was not one of his more prestigious jobs (it doesn't figure anywhere in his galleries), but I know his style anywhere. Although "The Ravishers" (written by Virginia Coffman, under the name of Jeanne Duval) is a stereotypical 1970s stola-ripper about some luckless girl who bounces from the bed of one emperor to the next, and who is eventually reunited with her True Wuv just as Vesuvius blows its top, it's more amusing than most books of this type. It features some memorable scenes with an aging Nero as comic relief, and the Christians are portrayed as annoying simps. It's a sequel of sorts to an earlier book by Coffman aka J. Duval called "The Lady Serena," which is also is memorable in that Nero is portrayed positively.
May 14 2008, 01:17:16 UTC 4 years ago
Very interesting though.. who knew there was such a genre?!
May 14 2008, 01:27:32 UTC 4 years ago
Yeah, one would think that Roman clothes would be easy peasy to make, but it seems the simpler the clothing, the more they're screwed up. You really have to pay attention to every last detail to make a really nice looking Roman costume.
May 14 2008, 01:31:03 UTC 4 years ago
What's interesting, or maybe less so, is the one man I know who wore Roman garb, also didn't wear undergarments. I've never been a victim of "seeing too much", but people have told him that he needed to be more careful when sitting down to cross his legs, etc. He recently started wearing later period Venetian clothes, and we were all relieved because we knew that we'd be seeing "less of him". ;)
May 14 2008, 01:43:07 UTC 4 years ago
Yeah, the pinning is v. important- plus, the fabric is absolutely crucial. Also.... NO TAILORING! Tunics weren't gowns, in the modern sense of the word. They didn't have hooks or zippers or separate bodices or plunging necklines. I could go on and on about this subject, but I'll stop myself...
That's a bit scary about the no-underwear guy. Didn't he have a handy loincloth? :P
May 14 2008, 01:50:18 UTC 4 years ago
And yeah, the fabric is quite important. As in... no see-through dresses! Which, well, as a guy I'll admit I don't actually mind as such, but it's still a little tacky when the whole world sees.
Well, we do have a decent SCA kingdom down here in Caid. My guess is that you probably either burnt out on it, or it was one of those "when I was in college I experimented with the SCA" kinds of things? ;)
And SCA Romans are rare, but sometimes the clothing shows up because it's easy to make. And one could assume that people in 500AD might have worn costumes of the Romans after all.
Oh yeah, and with these various Roman clothes.. no bodices or plunging necklines and they really need to be careful with wearing something like a bra underneath. Again, most people don't really need to see anything on accident either... O.O
May 14 2008, 02:03:54 UTC 4 years ago
Yeah, right! :P
And yeah, the fabric is quite important. As in... no see-through dresses! Which, well, as a guy I'll admit I don't actually mind as such, but it's still a little tacky when the whole world sees.
No see-through fabrics? Well, that would be authentic... if you were a Roman hooker!
But one look I always thought was cool was the layering of translucent fabrics. I wish I could see that done more in film. That would be way sexier and more authentic that the fantasy pin-up clothes worn by certain actresses in That TV Show Which Shall Remain Unnamed.
Well, we do have a decent SCA kingdom down here in Caid. My guess is that you probably either burnt out on it, or it was one of those "when I was in college I experimented with the SCA" kinds of things? ;)
Definitely the later! I did go to a RenFaire in Phoenix recently, although I was cringing the entire time. ;)
And SCA Romans are rare, but sometimes the clothing shows up because it's easy to make. And one could assume that people in 500AD might have worn costumes of the Romans after all.
Well, I'd say it would be deceptively easy. Good fabrics are hard to find, and it's not like there's a lot of extant costumes available for study. Also, fashions had changed a lot by the 4th century- for the rich. I suppose it would be probable for a poor person to wear a standard issue tunic. But clothes for the wealthy were moving towards the more modest, heavily ornamented Byzantine look.
Oh yeah, and with these various Roman clothes.. no bodices or plunging necklines and they really need to be careful with wearing something like a bra underneath.
Roman women did wear strophium, or breastbands... Even prostitutes in Pompeii are painted wearing their primitive bras, even while boffing their johns. Go figure!
May 18 2008, 04:05:19 UTC 4 years ago
I did a class at Pennsic last year about Roman women's underwear. Good times strutting around with my chiton around my waist so ev eryone could see my strophium...
May 31 2008, 11:06:25 UTC 3 years ago
By the way, what are your favorite sources for clothing?
May 31 2008, 15:42:36 UTC 3 years ago
Most of my clothing research has been looking at statues and other artworks and trying to figure out how to make things look that. This book, The World of Roman Costume is pretty good, but I am not terribly impressed with their "reconstruction" section.
http://www.amazon.com/World-Costume-Wis
I really like The clothed body in the ancient world, but it's hard to find.
http://www.amazon.com/Clothed-Body-Anci
May 31 2008, 18:35:57 UTC 3 years ago
So, are you involved in Roman reenactment through the SCA?
May 31 2008, 18:51:40 UTC 3 years ago
I did find your post through the Smart Bitches (how I love them so). Would you mind horribly if I friended you?
May 31 2008, 19:07:13 UTC 3 years ago
I love the Smart Bitches too- I'm actually working on a job for them at the moment (I'll post more about it when it's completed). I wouldn't mind at all if you friended me- I was actually thinking of friending you as well! I'm planning on posting a few more Roman-centered posts soon.
By the way, are you a big Law & Order fan? I really like your "doink doink" icon.
May 31 2008, 19:09:09 UTC 3 years ago
I am shooting to have it done this weekend. It might even happen!
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(Found you on SBTB)
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The Private Life of Julius Caesar, with cover copy: "sensuous women from many lands in the arms of the fabulous Julius!"